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Category: CNC lathe

Bombard Model-3 turning the barrel

Another session or two, and this project is complete.

Now how do I make a cannon ball 62-63 mm diameter?  In wood will be ok?  Does not have to be granite.  I could make a mould and cast it in aluminium or lead, but stone would be authentic…..   thinking.

ps.  Re cannon balls.  I will cast them, in cement!   Now, how to make a mould.

Bombard Model -2. Big Thread

The breech and the barrel are joined with a very large thread.  On my 1:10 scale model it is 60mm diameter, and has a pitch of 6 mm.  These dimensions are measured off Internet photos of the original bombard, so they might not be faithfully accurate to the original bombard.  If anyone has accurate plans of the bombard I would be very interested to hear from them.

I experimented with various spindle speeds, feed rates, depth of cut, and finally decided that red gum wood is not the ideal material to be cutting a thread with sharp points.  However, at 200rpm, and taking 50 cuts to reach the full depth, and using a very sharp tool, the end result was OK.  I will fill the tearouts.

In order to make a functional join in the wooden cannon, I truncated the apex of the thread.  In the gunmetal version I will attempt a more faithful to the original, sharp look.

For some reason, the wood held together better during the internal thread cutting than the external.

 

The male thread was cut on my newly CNC converted lathe,  between centres, but the fixed steady on that lathe was just too small to hold the barrel, so the internal thread was cut on my bigger Chinese lathe.

Next I will bore the barrel to 63mm, then turn the exterior of the barrel.

 

Turkish Bombard 1:10 scale

Just for fun I will use my newly converted CNC lathe to make a 1:10 bombard.  The original was cast in 1464 and was thought to be a close copy of the bombards which Mehmet 2 (“the conqueror”) used to breach the walls of Constantinople in 1453.  There are several of these bombards still in existence, including one in UK, which was given to Queen Victoria by the then Turkish Sultan.

These bombards were last used, against the British, in 1807, when a British warship was holed with substantial loss of life.  Pretty amazing for a 340 year old weapon.

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5.2 meters long, 1.060 meter diameter. 16.8 tonnes.

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The large thread connected the halves.  Easier transportation, and casting.

 

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Is this Turkish or Arabic?

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Granite balls are 630mm diameter.

 

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A reconstruction of the walls of Constantinople, with moat.  Almost 1000 years old in 1453  

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And as they are today.  Massive.  High.

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Huge siege cannon used in the final assault and fall of Constantinople in 1453. Diorama in Askeri Museum, Istanbul, Turkey.  The bombards were probably dug in, to manage the massive recoil, and concentrate the aim at a particular wall section.  There is a wooden structure built around the cannon in the background of this modern picture.  As far as I know there are no surviving  wooden structures like this.  Nor have I come across any old pictures, but if anyone knows of any I would be very interested.  The bombards took about 3 hours to cool, cleanout and reload.  

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My model will be about 520mm long.  I would like to make it from bronze, or gunmetal as in the original.  Any mistakes will be costly.

So I have decided to make a prototype in wood.  That will test my drawing, the machining procedure, and the final appearance.  Not to mention how the CNC lathe will handle the task.

I will use a very dense, tight grained Australian hardwood (red gum).  The wood was salvaged when my house stumps were replaced with concrete.  Some was used to make parquetry, and the rest was put aside for possible future use.  Such as this.

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About to cut off the below ground section of a 70 year old house stump.

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A 5hp metal lathe with a tungsten bit chomps through the hard dry wood.

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I turned 6 lengths before I found 2 that were satisfactory.  The rest had sap holes or splits.

I have used Ezilathe to generate the G codes.

to be continued….

 

A Matter of Scale

Before I get onto a brief reflection about scale, the photo below shows 2 cannon barrels.

The big one was what impelled me to converting a manual lathe into a CNC lathe.  That time consuming, costly, and ultimately very satisfying project, started because the CNC lathe which I used to turn the big barrel could only handle the job by doing it in two stages…. doing the breech first then the muzzle.  That was due to the big barrel being too long for the lathe, at 300mm (12″).

The small barrel was a test for the CNC converted lathe just finished, being the first complicated shape which I have made.   To save on material, I made it at exactly half the scale of the big one, ie 150mm long (6″).

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Comparing the two barrels reminded me, that if an object is twice as big as another, in all 3 dimensions (height, width, depth), it is 8 times as heavy.   And any projectile, and weight of black powder, would also be 8 times the weight.  But the wall thickness of the explosion chamber is only TWICE as thick.

My point is, that if scale is maintained, the smaller the cannon, steam engine, boiler, whatever…..  the less likely it is to explode.

Not that these cannons will ever be fired.  Just hypothetically.

CNC Lathe Conversion – 17

First Test Run

After some test runs without tool or material, I performed some measurements.

500mm movements along the Z axis were reproduced multiple times with a deviation of 0.00mm!  (the Z axis has a ground ball screw)

100mm movements along the X axis deviated 0.02mm.  (the X axis has a rolled ball screw).

I was delighted to note that the lathe is extremely quiet and smooth.  The only noise is some belt slap from the very old belts, and from the stepper motors.

The video below was taken from my iphone, while I was operating the lathe controls, so please excuse the erratic movements.

The steel is 27mm diameter.  750rpm, 50mm/min feeds.

And the guards will be made next step, without fail.

The G code was generated using Mach3 for these very simple shapes.  For more complex items I use Ezilathe.

 

The lathe is 600mm between centres.  38mm spindle bore.  Swing about 300mm.

Steam Engine Oilers

Knowing that I have an interest in CNC machining, Tom, from the Vintage Machinery Club in Geelong asked me to make a pair of oilers for a very old Wedlake and Dendy steam engine.  The engine is a large (to me anyway) stationary engine, which is run on steam several times each year.  The oilers for the cross slides were missing.

We searched the Internet for pictures of W&D steam engines, but could find no pictures or diagrams of the oilers.  So Tom sketched a design, and I drew a CAD diagram.  The dimensions were finally determined by the materials which I had available…  some 1.5″ brass rod and some 1.5″ copper tube.

This is the almost finished product.

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Just needs 1/4″ BSPT fittings and and oil wick tube so they can be fitted to the engine.

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The copper tube silver soldered to the brass cylinders (top), the brass blanks for the lids (bottom) and the mandrel to hold the assembly (bottom centre) during CNC turning and drilling.

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The mandrel to hold the body (left) and the mandrel for the lid (right).  The cap screw head and hole in the mandrel have a 2 degree taper.  The slits were cut with a 1mm thick friction blade.

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Rough turning the base.

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Turning the lid.  The mandrel is held in an ER32 collet chuck

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Engraving the lid.  Using a mister for cooling and lubrication.  16000rpm, 200mm/min, 90 degree TC engraving cutter.

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The oilers work by wicking the oil from the reservoir into a tube which drains through the base onto the engine slide.  When the wick tubes are fitted the oilers can be fitted to the engine.

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The 1865 Wedlake and Dendy

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My lathe is a Boxford TCL125, using Mach3.  The G code is generated using Ezilathe.

Below is a link to an oil cup from “USS Monitor”, of American civil war fame.   One of the first ironclads, powered only by steam.

http://www.marinersmuseum.org/blog/2010/04/one-oil-cup-down/

(ps. The  lathe which I was converting to CNC was the subject of previous posts and is now working, but needs some guards fitted and a bit of fine tuning.)

CNC Lathe conversion -16

The wiring of the lathe is complete.  (Except for limit switches.  They can be added at any time).

Mach 3 is configured.  The wireless hand control is installed and working.  Ezilathe installed and waiting for input.

Some covers to be made.

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Hook ups in progress.  That’s the faulty VSD on top of the electronics enclosure.  The CNC engineer lost his hair trying to figure out the problem.

Still some testing and fine tuning required.

But nothing much will happen in the workshop for the next  3 weeks.

 

 

CNC lathe conversion -15

Another couple of advances in the conversion.  Today I installed the lead screw cover and the cable protector to the cross slide stepper motor.

The cable protector was easy and straightforward. It flexes in one direction only, and is fixed at the ends after the cable is threaded through it.  The length is adjusted by adding or removing links.  It was placed so that coolant liquid will drain out of it, and to minimise the accumulation of swarf.   The cables themselves have a thick covering and are well protected.  The link protector will not kink, further protecting the cable.

It was cheap.  About $AUD20 for 2 meters, posted from China.  I used about 1.1m.

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Showing the stepper motor cable protector, and the lead screw protector (one half of it.  The other half is on the other side of the carriage.)

The lead screw protector was another story.  It is a spring steel coil, about 50mm wide, and as it is compressed the coils fit inside each other.  I made a big mistake in allowing it to spring open before I had installed it (there were no instructions).  It immediately opened to a length of over a meter, in coils about 50-60mm diameter.   No big deal, I thought.  I will just compress it back to its original configuration.    Big mistake.

It was what I imagine coiling a live, oily, biting, boa constrictor would be like.  (OK, boas constrict rather than bite.  How about an anaconda, or a big eel.)

I fought it for about an hour.  And eventually succeeded.  Minus a few bits of my skin.

So I did not allow the protectors to expand again until after I had them on the lead screw.

This is what they look like.   Pretty cool IMO.  They just expanded into position when I removed the restraining clips.

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The lead screw stepper motor and protector.  The Estop box above will get some ends to exclude swarf.

It was not cheap.  The best price that I could find was from South Korea.  $AUD200 inc postage.  But it is excellent Japanese quality.

The wiring is happening, but the variable speed drive seems to be dead.  It has been sitting unused on a shelf for 2 years, so no point asking about warranty.  Took it apart to check for broken wires, fuses, burnt out components etc, but nothing visible.  Will order another one.  About $AUD200.  An unexpected expense.

 

CNC lathe conversion -14

These lathe CNC conversion posts are probably becoming a bit tiresome, but just in case there is someone out there who is interested, I will continue until the job is finished.

The latest was to make and install a spindle speed (and position – thanks David M) sensor.  It consists of a disk with a slot cut in the periphery, attached to the main spindle.  And an opto-electronic sensor which is connected to its own electronic board, thence to the breakout board and VSD.

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The disc with the slot at 8:30 and the sensor at 9:00.  I must have chosen the wrong cutter or turning speed for that disc aluminium…  looks a bit rough.  (note added 13/7    Stuart T says that I should have used coolant-lubricant).

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View from above.  Any clearer?   That gear is now superfluous except as a spacer.

So there is one electronic impulse per spindle revolution.  That is enough to measure the RPM’s.   Essential for cutting threads.

The beauty of this system is that there is no gear selection or changing, and ANY thread pitch can be selected…  metric, imperial, BA  etc…  any odd ball thread that your heart desires.

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The HTD (high torque drive, I am informed by many readers) pulleys and belts and taper lock fittings.  Unfortunately I could not find a taper lock to fit the small pulleys, so when it is all finally, definitely, absolutely, correctly,  positioned, I will Loctite them in position.  Protective covers yet to be made.  I quite like to see the mechanicals in action, so I am intending to make the covers from clear polycarbonate.(Lexan) .

CNC Lathe conversion -13

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Adjusting the lead screw.

The 48 tooth HTD pulley has been installed using a taper lock.

Then some time was spent adjusting the parallelism of the lead screw.  That requires quite a few movements of the carriage along the 600mm thread.  Each 360 degree turn of the lead screw advances the carriage 6mm, so you can understand that I became a bit impatient with all of the repetitive hand actions to move the carriage from one end to the other.

So this was a solution to that issue.  That HTD belt is the one that was too long, so I was happy to find a use for it.    The variable speed battery drill shot the carriage end to end in a couple of seconds.

All is now adjusted parallel.

A few more little installation issues, then for the wiring.

CNC Lathe conversion -12

Today I fitted the lead screw.

No big deal, I sense that you are thinking.  After all, the ends are machined, the bearings fitted, and all waits in readiness.

True, but there is a strict sequence of events.  And since it has been 3 or more weeks since it has been together, I had to rediscover the sequence, by trial and error.  And each bit of the fitting is very heavy, very delicate, very tricky.  So it took me several hours to get to the  final photo in this blog.

But first a view of the inside of the newly machined apron.

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The lead screw fitted.  The cross slide screw is also fitted.  Note the red E Stop panic button fitted to the left.    Next job is to fit a support bearing at the right hand end of the screw.  Then to check and adjust parallelism of the screws.  A rough check showed that they are within 0.25mm

CNC Lathe conversion -11. Ball screw machining.

Hooray!

Today I collected the lead screw after the ends were machined by Statewide Linear Bearings.

I decided to drive the 100km each way to pick it up, in preference to using a courier.  I wanted to ensure that all of the small bits were there, and also just to make sure it was handled properly.  Mostly freeway, listening to Dan Carlin on the Persian-Greek wars, so it was a pleasant way  to have 3-4 hours to myself.  (If you do not know about Dan Carlin, Google him and download an episode.  If history at school had been like this, we would all be history addicts.)

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This is the lead screw, ends machined, and support bearings fitted.  1100mm long. 28mm dia

All good, except that the nut was back to front.  That nut is pre-tensioned, which means that the 2 halves are separated by a precisely machined washer.  I was nervous about removing it and replacing it the correct way around.  However I had previously asked the ball screw expert about that aspect, so armed with the technique I made up a sleeve of the correct size, removed the nut and replaced it.   No balls fell out.   So all good!  The above picture shows the nut in its correct position.

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The nut.  Looks expensive?  Is expensive.  And beautiful.

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The machined driven end.   $AUD250 machining there.  But it is perfectly done.

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And with the support bearing installed.  A pulley for the HTD belt goes on the distal bit of shaft.

 

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The CNC lathe has 3 belts. There is a V belt from the 3 phase motor to the main lathe spindle.  Although I changed the motor and the pulleys, the old belt fitted, which was good.  No hassle. But the stepper motors driving the lead screw and cross slide screw, and their pulleys were all […]

CNC Lathe conversion – 9

The CNC lathe conversion has been happening, despite no posts on the blog.

I have mounted the electronics enclosure, and mounted the various components inside.  No wiring yet.

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This stainless steel tool box is the electronics enclosure.  It fits the space quite nicely, and is adequately big.  The back gear cover to the right will be retained, although the back gears have been discarded.  The main switch and emergency stop will be mounted somewhere on this cover.

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The Variable speed drive (VSD) sits on top.  That will control the spindle speed.  The transformers, stepper motor drives, and Breakout board (the heart of the system) are positioned inside.  Plus cooling fan and filters.  Ready for wiring.

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Drilling the apron to attach the cross slide ball screw bearing.  One chance only at this one, so the setting up took a couple of hours.  The apron is clamped to a large angle bracket on the milling table.   M6 threading followed.

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The end result.  The bearing as attached to the apron and the ball screw is in place.  I machined the end of this ball screw to fit the bearing, cut a thread (M10x1), and machined the end to accept the pulley.  All good.  There is 0.25mm adjustment available if required, but it all seems pretty correct.  The bearing sits on a carefully machined block which is 7.85mm thick.   Still waiting the lead screw machining.(!!)

NOT MUCH GOING ON TODAY

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This is my workbench after I had almost finished tidying it.  Really.  

 

Then I thought about machining the ends of the cross slide ball screw.

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So I mounted the collet chuck and checked the runout.   0 to o.01mm.  Then I did a test cut in the ball screw.   Hard hard hard.  But it did cut.  Then I chickened out and decided to finish it another day.

So, looking around the workshop for something else to do, I decided to pretty up the new CNC lathe apron.

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Before (milled surface).

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During

 

And I forgot to take a photo of the after, but it did look nice and smooth and shiny (look at the mirror finish behind the wheel).

Being retired is great!

CNC Lathe Conversion – 8

Continuing the installation of the ball screws, and stepper motors.

I have completely removed the digital read out module and glass slides, and they will not be reinstalled.  Not sure what I will do with them.   They are only a year or two old, and in good condition.  I will probably put them on Ebay.  Same with the old gearbox, carriage apron, and electric controls.

Here are some pics of the plates and blocks which support the ball screws and steppers.

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This is the steel plate at the headstock end, bolted to the bed.  And the block with the holes is cast iron 42mm thick, to support the leadscrew and leadscrew stepper motor.  It was machined out of an old piece of machinery, hence some unintended holes.   Being cast iron it was fairly easy to machine, but incredibly dirty. Turned everything in the workshop black, including me.  (whoops.   Unintended not PC)

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This is the block which replaces the gears and controls of the apron under the carriage.  The thick block is cast iron, and the stepper motor support is 20mm thick steel.  Very heavy.

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This plate is hidden under the carriage.  It secures the lead screw nut.

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The slot in the carriage had to be widened and deepened a bit, in order to accomodate the slightly fatter and taller cross slide nut.  See the next photo to see the setup for milling the hole through the carriage.

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A rather confusing photo.  The carriage is clamped to a large angle plate on the mill, and I am enlarging the hole which accommodates the cross slide ball screw.  It was at the limit of what my mill could manage.  An intermittent cut, with a lot of tool stick out.   Not the best way of doing the job, but it worked OK.

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Plastic covers attached to the stepper motors, and toothed belt pulleys fitted.

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Checking the centres between the pulleys, using 2 wooden wedges to push the pulleys apart.

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The underside of the carriage.  The hole and channel at the left side of the picture was machined to accept the larger cross slide screw

So you can see that I have been busy since the last post.

At present the lead screw is at Linear Bearings in Melbourne, having the ends machined to accept the driving pulley, and support bearings.  I did consider doing this machining myself, but decided to leave it to the professionals because of the high cost of the item and the hardness of the material.

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I am still waiting for the replacement ball nut for the lathe cross slide to arrive.

Meanwhile, I have been busy machining the supports for the lead screw.

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Drilling the holes for the support bolts for the lead screw nut

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And gradually drilling the hole to 49mm!

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That is a 49mm drill!  First time that I have used it!  Thank goodness for the  FS Wizard app, to give me some idea about feeds and speeds.  Following this I used a boring head to enlarge the hole to 55mm.

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Gradually enlarged the hole in 20mm steel to 55mm diameter.  and here is the lead ball screw, sitting roughly in its proper position.

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So this is where I am at.  The lead ball screw is sitting approximately in its correct position.  Considerable adjustment required.  And I am yet to turn the ball screw ends to their correct dimensions.

CNC lathe conversion-6. EBay problem

My first hitch occurred today.

I was very excited to receive the nut for the cross slide ball screw.  If you have been following these posts you might recall that the ground ball screw for the cross slide came from Taiwan, and arrived in 3 days.  But I had to order the nut from a seller in USA.  The nut was advertised as new old stock, but with no packaging.  That was OK, but the postage cost for such a tiny item was ferocious.

It was the last item to arrive from overseas.   However when I looked at it, it was obviously NOT new.

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The cap screws holding the ball recirculating tube were different from each other, and the washers underneath were too big for the screws.  Obviously not the way that TNK made it.  Somebody has had the nut apart.  And the ball retaining tube was very scratched  and loose.  Again, not TNK standard.

But no biggie.  If it works — fine.

So I turned up a retaining tube to remove the previous nut from the ballscrew, and it came off without any drama.

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But when I tried to fit the “new” nut, it just would not go on.  Tried reversing the direction.  No go.  Bugger bugger.

Somebody has altered or changed the “new” nut.  Maybe installed balls which are too big, or maybe damaged the entry thread.  I do not know.

What to do.  I have been waiting 2 weeks for this to arrive.

First, Ebay email to the seller.  See what the response is.  Ask for a refund.  The postage was almost as expensive as the nut. If unsatisfactory response, they will get the worst Ebay feedback ever.

There is one other seller of these nuts on Ebay, also in USA, and 50% more expensive, and the postage is also 50% more expensive. (how DOES ebay come up with the postage charges.  It seems more related to the cost of the item rather than the weight-size etc.)  But the nuts are in original packaging.  And I want to get going with this, so fuck it.  Pay up and get it.

I will report in a later post.  (if the bad language in this post seems to reflect my state of mind, well, yes it does.)

 

PS.  Next day.  After sending photos of the issue, the seller accepted responsibility, and I am getting a full refund.  That restores my faith in Ebay/Paypal.   I hope that the next one is in better condition, and comes a bit more quickly.  Sorry for the bad language.